If anyones interested. Post #1481 in this thread;

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/in ... dex99.html

Why are AlanN and Gonzo ignoring this thread when they post in all the other ones?

Surely their time would be better spent in this one? Have the powers that be gagged them?

So many questions, so few answers.

This has scam written all over it!!!!!!!

just like any site that is affilated with microgaming could be a scam!


I saw that investigator link at 2+2, somehow I think for the bulk of people funds are going to be impossible to retrieve. They haven't even named a liquidator yet right? If that is the case there probably won't be one i would assume.

hmmmm


Any more news on your investigation and when action will be taken?

Still nothing from this "Investigation". What actually is being "investigated"?

Guess we're pretty much f-ed.




Still nothing BW?

Our Eurolinx update:


• Our main objectives are to find out any information on the pending ‘liquidation’ proceeding… how are they going to move forward, what time frame if any, what can EL customers expect as a outcome etc .

• Try to confirm the EL gaming license with the C.I.L.

• Moving forward provide player security information.


Where we are at today:

All of our attempts to reach our Eurolinx contacts have resulted in no replies. MG has not disclosed any liquidation information to us at this time.

We were able to track down a contact number for the CURACAO INTERACTIVE LICENSING N.V ( C.I.L.) which is the licensing body that MG claims EL had their gaming license though. When we reached the C.I.L, after several attempts, they were unwilling to confirm or deny that EL had gaming licenses with them, in short they would not disclose that information to us.

Also to clarify, our relationship as an affiliate is with the individual poker rooms. We have a separate and unique agreement with each poker room we list on BW not the network provider. We have no direct relationship with the network providers. We are not supporting or defending MG in this case. We have tried contacting them in hopes to get some answers but have had no success to date. Our goals moving forward are to provide our customers with as much information as possible so they are informed about individual poker rooms. That is why we have added a Microgaming disclaimer to the review and also will be adding a more in-depth player security section shortly.

Given what has happened in the Eurolinx situation, there is certainly legitimate concern about the companies Microgaming accepts as partner skins. Even though nothing in this industry is absolutely guaranteed, the five remaining Microgaming skins on BW are well established companies with licensed rooms:

Ladbrokes origins date back to the early 1900s - not a typo (licensed by the Gov of Gibraltar).
Unibet was formed in 1997 (licensed by LGA).
Cool Hand Poker, is part of Belle Rock Entertainment, which is part of Carmen Media and has been around since 2002 (licensed by Gov of Gibraltar).
Betway and Gnuf are jointly owned and have been around since 2006 and are also licensed by the LGA.



BW Management

you do however have an indirect link with microgaming. By continuing to support microgaming sites, you are indirectly supporting microgaming. Agreed? You are supporting by continuing to send players to their network. If that isn't support, i think you need to define for me since I can't see how it isn't.

This is the same as buying a TV from a shop who in turn buy it from a distributor who sources it from the company who makes it.

So I view you as guilty as for example a walmart selling TVs from a company who has a history of shadey relationships, whom doesn't is various arms go under so long as it isn't their loss. Fair?

Don't you think the disclaimer is extremly weak? Don't you think you should mention that microgaming is happy to partner itself with people who have a history of fraud in the online gambling industry?

Of your listed sites, I agree that ladbrokes and unibet are safe based upon their interests outside of poker. However based upon principal i don't belive anyone who cares about the online poker industry should be playing there until they find themselves a better partner.


However the other sites listed are a massive risk as you not only have to be worried about their site being run well, but every site on the network being run well. If another site goes under, coolhand poker for example, could be left massivly out of pocket and as a domino effect also be forced under through no fault of their own. They are not even remotly safe in the current climate.

The only reason Eurolinx going down wasn't worse was because when they settled with the microgaming clearing house they are usually the skin owed money (as opposed to the other way which would of been terrible for the other smaller skins).

Sad that i now have to warn people off BW when I used to send people here to start their online poker adventures.

So basically my money is gone, Microgaming will never make a statement or do anything about it, and BW is going to keep promoting MG run sites.

Is there a way I can request from poker rooms I've already signed up to to have BW removed as my affiliate? If I can't even get simple answers to "Why didn't BW delist Eurolinx sooner?" or "Were BW's affiliate payments late?" then the investigation seems like a joke, just an attempted appeasement.

YOU GUYS HAVE PROMOTED MICROGAMING SITES FOR 7+ YEARS AND YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A REPLY FROM THEM?

They didn't delist them sooner cause although I suggested it they decieded it was worth their while to make one more bonus promotion just before they went they under with warning suggesting your money was still safe although all signs pointed otherwise.

Deezamn,

The answers to your questions have already been posted by myself or Gonzo:

Here is a copy of a post in August after delisting, explaining our reasons for keeping Eurolinx on BW and in regards to our payments.

"Around the time we started investigating the cashout issues in this thread, they told us the issues were due to security checks and assured us that the players' money was safe. That combined with everything else (Eurolinx's longstanding positive reputation with players and affiliates, early success of our cashout inquires of players, BW getting paid-granted at the same rate of many players, general reports of players getting paid, cashout issues that were occurring around the time of PokerStars/Full Tilt cashout issues, other sites such as Bodog and Players Only recovering from significant delays that were similar in length) contributed to the decision to leave them up with a cashout warning to new players in almost every spot Eurolinx or BetonBet was mentioned on BW. On top of all this, we felt we were in a better position to expedite our players cashouts while Eurolinx was still up on BW.

Due to the lack of improvement in payouts over a significant time period we finally decided it would be best to remove them. We were not getting timely replies and the replies we did receive were not passing the smell test when considering what was going on. Also, watchdog sites such as CM and SBR came out with bleak outlooks over the last couple weeks and around the time we delisted-- other major affiliate sites also delisted Eurolinx.

We essentially gave Eurolinx the benefit of the doubt considering many factors but ultimately we decided we couldn't list them anymore. In retrospect, it can be easy to see how we all got to this point with Eurolinx, but we thought we were making the right decision at the time by keeping them up."


In regards to

"YOU GUYS HAVE PROMOTED MICROGAMING SITES FOR 7+ YEARS AND YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A REPLY FROM THEM?":

As stated previously in this thread, we do not have a direct relationship with MicroGaming and rarely, if ever, have contacted Microgaming about anything issue until now. The same can be said of Playtech, Boss Media, Cryptologic, OnGame, Merge etc. Our relationships almost exclusively are with the individual poker rooms. We do not receive affiliate payments or any compensation for that matter from the network providers.

Wow, for all those "Ladbrokes is probably safe", I sure hope so;

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/08102009/325/la ... llion.html

Ladbrokes to raise £275 million

LONDON (Reuters) - Ladbrokes , the country's biggest bookmaker, said it planned to raise 275 million pounds through a deeply-discounted rights issue it will use to trim its debt, sending its shares down as much as 8 percent on Wednesday.

Ladbrokes, which has 2,700 betting shops, also said it would not pay a final dividend on 2009 earnings as it looks to improve its financial position against the backdrop of a weak economic environment and a run of unfavourable football results.

The move by Ladbrokes echoes that of rival William Hill , which raised 350 million pounds through a rights issue in February while also scrapping its dividend and renegotiating banking facilities as it looked to reduce debt.

Ladbrokes' shareholders will be entitled to purchase 1 new share for each 2 they already own at a price of 95 pence per share, a discount of nearly 50 percent to Wednesday's closing price of 181 pence.

The company said its net debt will fall to 687 million pounds from 962 million following the placing.

Shares in Ladbrokes, which have underperformed the FTSE All Share Travel & Leisure Index by 22 percent since the start of the year, were down 6.8 percent at 168.8 pence at 0740 GMT having been as low as 165 pence.

William Hill shares were down 3 percent at 171.

"We have a sell recommendation on the (Ladbrokes) shares and, on the basis that betting is impacted by unemployment and unemployment is a lagging indicator, we will retain that recommendation," said Astaire Securities analyst Mark Brumby.

(Reporting by Matt Scuffham, editing by Will Waterman, John Stonestreet)

+1 on this

can you answer that Scott.



I don't care if you don't have a direct link to microgaming, you have an extremely strong indirect link to microgaming. You have as much of a link as a shop to the product they are selling. On that basis you guilty if you continue to stock things by a company which have been known be be defective multiple times with NO refund to the customer. I don't care if BW is out of pocket because of what happened. I care that the sites on microgaming are a ticking timebomb.

You handling of this has been terrible at best.

Are you still investigating or is over?
You knew Jo Remme was in charge of Eurolinx, why did you support them when a simple google of him showed a history of scamming in the online gaming industry? Or didn't you bother doing any research into the sites your promote?

As much as I agree that BW should stop promoting MG (dirty crooks who I hope die in a fire), no other Affiliate is removing MG sites, so this gives BW no incentive too. Although I think this is a horrible way for the poker industry to handle situations such as these (along with promoting UB and AP).

At least UB/AP showed a willingness to make changes and accept problems.

Microgaming just brushes it under the carpet.

There is such thing as being an industry leader. They were the last of the affilates to take eurolinx down (only once every other affilate had done so) so they just followed rather than being a leader and being proactive.

This might help your investigation.

Eurolinx Lydia now works for microgaming. So we now have the 2+2 face of eurolinx working for mircogaming. hmmm.

Ya this came out awhile ago daaider, thanks for the info though every little bit helps. But this is starting to die off, thought it would what a joke.

yeah it did, but BW seems to be pretty inept in their investagation so I thought i would try to bring some life to it.

I am suprised it has been forgotton, at least with Tusk there was a liquidator. That doesn't look like it is going to happen with Eurolinx (unless i have missed something).

Also;



I've already wrote to the bbc watchdog.

any updates on the BW "investigation"?

I am not sure why you guys are making this drag on so much.

bump

As we previously stated, we were not going to post until new information is made available. Apparently that has not been made clear so we will state it again.

We understand that people are frustrated with the lack of progress, as are we, but it is difficult to gather information when our requests go unanswered. BonusWhores is surely not the only one trying to get information however there isn’t much if any information coming out from any other source either. So while we continue to attempt to probe for information in respects to liquidators etc, we are currently focusing our efforts on “player security” information for all the sites on BW.

We realize some of you don’t think we’re taking this seriously, but we feel comfortable that we have made a good faith effort to find out as much information as we can about this situation. The fact of the matter is nobody i.e. EL, MG, 'liquidators' etc. is offering useful information so far.

meanwhile you will subject your player base to a network that doesn't seem to care at all about players. a less good natured person than me might think bonus whores doesn't care about its players, just its affiliate payments.

Update on the investigation...

Here is a letter we received today.


Reference is made to your official complaint to the LGA re Alpine Malta Ltd (BetOnBet.com)

This e-mail is to update you on the status of the investigation proceedings into the Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com). The Authority has concluded the investigation into Alpine Malta Ltd. (BetOnBet.com) casino and poker licenses based in Malta. The Authorities investigation findings have been transferred to the Malta Police who are now proceeding with an investigation into
Alpine Malta Ltd (BetOnBet.com).

At this stage the Authority is awaiting the Malta Police to conclude and advise the outcome of their investigation process which will then be made public and you will be notified accordingly.

Regards,


xxxxxx xxxxxxx


Lotteries and Gaming Authority
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