i agree with you 10000000000% for BW unlisting all MG sites..... Off with their heads!!!

I couldn't care less about who lists what sites, or what investigations are taking place. I want my money back.

Talking to the skins isn't going to solve anything, Microgaming needs to be held responsible this time. They never respond to any player inquiries (including my own), and you can't run a business with this much money involved in that manner. It's unfortunate their "good" skins have to pay the price, but it's guilt by association.

What's to say another MG site isn't currently being run by a criminal? MG gave Jo Remme a license for their software. Eurolinx was one of the "bigger" more "trustworthy" skins on the MG network.

Sadly the bulk of your money looks pretty much gone from all reports.

MG didn't licence Eurolinx and doesn't licence anyone(unless your talking about software licence, but when you say licence i think gaming licence). They sites have to obtain their own licence and then MG approves it. Apparently MG did very little research on the matter until it was way too late.

I couldn't agree more on the way MG runs their buisness. Something happens and they basically bury their heads in the sand until it goes anyway like nothing it happened and it wasn't their fault when they are the ones who approve skins.

Anyway BW you could help by asking for a MG rep to come here and help us out with what the f to do? How do we contact the Liquidators, any updates, etc? Kind of ridiculous we just wait around for some news to come from half way around the world for a company we have no real knowledge of!!!!

I am starting to think there isn't going to be a liquidator. It is extremly strange at best there isn't one appointed by now. There is nothing left to salvage but a criminal case.

Yeah, it sounds like there is nothing left to liquidate. From what I gather, Remme ran off with everything and our only hope of getting anything back is by some kind of criminal investigation.

AA,

As soon as we get any more info, we will pass that on.

BTW, here is a statement from Ladbrokes that we receive via email:


Ladbrokes Poker would like to clarify that, unlike some operators, we underwrite all funds held in players accounts. The security of our customer’s funds is of paramount importance to us. These accounts are reconciled on a weekly basis to further ensure the safety of customer funds on deposit. Microgaming are our software provider, and Microgaming and Ladbrokes are two totally separate companies. Our only affiliation with them is that we use their software as a member of the Microgaming Poker Network and they do not hold player deposits - this is the responsibility of individual operators on the Microgaming Poker Network.

Players are naturally free to make decisions as to where they play and invest their funds, however considerations should be given to operator integrity and sites offering what may be long term commercially unsustainable high levels of rake back.

Well I was pretty sure ladbrokes would be safe, (and perhaps unibet are similar) but the rest your just putting your money at signifcant risk with the current landscape of the MG network.

Does it matter what they say? They are on a network, with licenses that are given to crooks. WTF? It's plain and simple. MG is fine with providing software to, and running a network for, people with A CRIMINAL PAST IN THE ONLINE GAMING INDUSTRY. Ladbrokes doesn't see a problem being affiliated with them?

I probably played over 1 million cash games, of 1/2 - 2/4 Limit, and NL 50/100/200 over a 16 month span. What was my reward? Basically any rakeback I made over that period being stolen from me.

I don't think this (Microgaming) is a place BW can really toe the line with. I mean, I probably paid more than the average American workers annual income in rake last year to Eurolinx. How the fuck can I not even get a response from Microgaming? Unless BW is going to reimburse every single player they ever sign up through sites that go busto...how can you in good conscience continue to support ANY MG site given their history?

Bump...

So it's been 2 weeks. BW hasn't heard anything back from Microgaming themselves yet? There is a ton of speculation and no real concrete information.

I'd love to know if Microgaming really did show up randomly on a Friday and shut down Eurolinx, as it has been reported. Is there really going to be a liquidator? How the hell did Microgaming give a software license and network service to a guy who'd committed a crime in the industry only 5 years ago? For millions of dollars to have been reportedly taken, thousands of people affected, and tens of thousands of people knowing about it, there has been zero reliable information out there.

Was BW still receiving timely affiliate payments? When did they stop?

I understand you may not be able to answer all of these questions, but any information would really be appreciated.

i doubt there is going to be a liquidation. I imagine if there was going to be one we would know by now.

What on earth is happening with the "BW investigation".

Why are you still openly promoting MG sites?

In responce to the EL/MG situation:

We at Bonuswhores can understand your frustration with what has transpired with Eurolinx and the subsequent Microgaming response or the lack there of. As stated earlier, Bonuswhores is in the process of trying to verify the existence of a gaming license held by Eurolinx, their parent company or subsidiary and we will report any conclusive finding here in our forum.

At this time Bonuswhores does not feel that it is fair to punish or penalize other poker rooms that are in fact operating in good faith and may be financially sound. Microgaming is a software provider and each poker room on that network functions as a separate business. We will make every effort possible to assure that the remaining Microgaming rooms and all rooms listed on BW do in fact hold a valid and current gaming license in whatever jurisdiction they operate in. We will provide this information on our site and notify all players of the history with some Microgaming sites.


Here are some of the current measures that we will be taking moving forward:

Place a ban on adding additional Microgaming rooms.
Place a note on MG sites about the past situations.
Place gaming license and security information all rooms on BW.
Inform sites that we have passed on players concerns about credibility and that it may be in their best long term interests to leave Microgaming.
Finally, ANY site from Microgaming that is taking longer than 2 weeks to process cash outs , will be immediately looked into and if the situation is not addressed or resolved shortly after they will be delisted.


In response to some questions here, as stated earlier BW was receiving payment at the same rate as players. We have been effected financially as well. This is a very frustrating and unfortunate event.

Thank you,

BW Management

Don't you think you be sure? lol

This a pretty weak response IMO.

MICROGAMING GAVE A SOFTWARE LICENSE TO SOMEONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WHEN HE RAN AN ONLINE GAMING COMPANY 5 YEARS EARLIER.

And basically BW didn't research it enough and strongly recommended Eurolinx for quite some time. Didn't BW have a reload within the past 4 months before Eurolinx shutdown? I mean, people were already waiting months for withdrawals the time that reload was offered.

You also didn't provide any information, or address a single one of my questions above. I paid more in rake the first 8 months of the year to Eurolinx than the average American worker's salary. Microgaming doesn't respond to me, and I can't even get the most basic of answers about the situation.

At firstI thought if I could just get back MY $1k (that I had worked hard in winning at another site) I originally deposited but now I think thats BS, I worked hard grinding .50/1 to build up to $3.4k over 3 months for what? Nothing, I could've had this on a safe network and now grining 2/4or 3/6, but I'm stuck at 1/2, FML.

F U Microgaming an Jo Remme.

How's the investigation going?

Did you hear how a guy chip dumped his Eurolinx account to a Ladbrokes account a day before Eurolinx went under?

Ladbrokes sent his money back to his Eurolinx account.

Good job continuing to support MG sites.

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/marc-kara ... ndal-4995/

the sponsered pro who also got screwed over in the scandal.

I can't belive any affilate who cares about their rep. would currently be advertising microgaming sites. They are high risk at best.

Why should we trust Bonuswhores, you don't even take your own measures seriously. I looked everywhere on the coolhand poker reviews and couldn't find one mention, when it should be in big red writing warning people how stupid they are if they deposit there.

Do you even care your advertising sites which could put peoples funds at considerable risk????? It was clear and obvious Eurolinx should of been delisted a long time(remember i suggested in this thread you temp dislist them until cleared up and you decieded it was better to try and make more money and take the risk), yet you still pushed reloads to the bloody end (although you put a warning, it was written in such a way that it made your money sound safe, just withdrawals were slow).

Fuck me I should've just chip dumped...well the money's gone obviously, the pos of Network Microgaming can't even help out, they just wash their hands of the situation what a joke.

BW any update at all? Not a fan of silence.

This place has really died since you took your oath of silence and became a shadey operator.

it appears microgaming owns a clearing house which holds a signifcant portion player funds. So i guess another lie from microgaming about saying they have nothing to do with the money....

Where did you read this?

And BW why so quiet on this subject very frustrating to your long time members.

In the 2+2 thread about the player who dumped from eurolinx to ladbrokes in one last attempt to get his money.

they said they sent it back to the microgaming clearing house in that thread.

At this time, we do not have any new updates on this situation. We will post in this thread as soon as we have some significant news to share with you all. We continue to try to contact MG and the company that supposedly licensed Eurolinx poker. We have stated what our intended plans are moving forward. The remaining items we are working on, but won’t be done overnight, such as posting licensing information. We have added the MG disclaimer to the reviews of ALL MG rooms. We want to assure you we have and continue to take this situation very seriously.


BW Management

Scott, you stated your valued partner microgaming had nothing to do with handling the money. your other valued partner ladbrokes(whom i am more likly to belive) states microgaming owns the clearing house which moves all the money.

Someone is lieing. Are you going to find the guilty party and punish them?


You response couldn't of avoided everything that is happening anymore.


If things aren't going to happen overnight they should all be delisted until your clear this total mess which makes BW look shady as hell up.

If your taking this seriously you should be making daily updates on what is happening as this is by far the most popular thread at BW this year (that has to say something to you doesn't it?)

i lost about 1500 through this. tbh i am not that mad or surprised. i think it is weak to keep the links up, but on the flip side, i am an american, if i want security i stick with stars and tilt. but i dont let this slide. bw does soemthing for me or i never use them again. that simple. especially after they played along with the going out of business bonus. i assume my money is gone. this isnt the first time listed sites here go bust. last time for me they didnt do anything, look into bayou poker on ongame fwiw.

i love it when an affiliate steps up and protects their own interest, really shows leadership.